I
decided
to
really
lock
in
and
focus
on
building
one
specific
product
And
we've
gone
from
zero
to
30K
MRR
ever
since
This
is
Benji
And
in
the
last
year
he's
built
over
45
apps
And
his
latest
one
just
hit
30
000
a
month
in
less
than
four
months
In
the
past
year
or
so
I've
built
over
45
apps
But
this
isn't
a
story
about
one
app
It's
about
the
system
behind
all
of
them
The
exact
process
he
follows
every
single
time
to
go
from
idea
to
revenue
fast
The
entire
process
usually
takes
around
four
to
five
hours
to
actually
get
a
good
app
built
out
So
I
asked
Benji
to
come
onto
the
channel
to
break
it
all
down
step
by
step
And
in
this
episode
we'll
dive
into
how
he
goes
from
an
idea
to
a
working
app
in
just
a
few
hours
The
simple
distribution
strategy
that
makes
his
app
thousands
of
dollars
every
month
And
the
complete
playbook
he'd
follow
if
you
were
starting
a
mobile
app
again
from
scratch
today
If
you're
building
apps
right
now
this
is
the
episode
Let's
dive
in
I'm
Pat
Walls
and
this
is
Starter
Story
Okay
Benji
welcome
to
the
channel
I'm
pumped
to
have
you
on
here
Tell
me
about
who
you
are
what
app
you
built
and
what's
your
story
Hey
guys
my
name
is
Benji
Today
I'm
talking
about
Snag
which
is
an
app
that
my
team
and
I
at
10x
Studio
had
launched
around
four
months
ago
And
we've
gone
from
zero
to
30K
MRR
ever
since
And
I'm
really
excited
to
share
the
entire
playbook
that
we
used
to
scale
Snag
Okay
awesome
Before
we
get
into
the
whole
process
of
you
building
it
and
growing
it
let's
talk
about
what
you
built
and
how
it's
doing
Could
you
pull
up
some
of
your
dashboards
show
me
the
revenue
it's
making
and
just
show
me
what
you
built
As
you
can
see
here
in
Superwall
we
have
around
30
000
in
monthly
working
revenue
We
have
over
100
000
authenticated
users
on
Snag
9
000
current
versions
and
over
80
000
in
total
proceeds
Snag
is
an
app
that
helps
people
find
free
items
near
them
This
is
the
main
page
of
Snag
where
users
literally
will
gain
access
to
free
items
near
them
They
can
select
what
they
want
here
either
by
searching
it
or
filtering
it
You
can
store
the
good
items
that
you
like
in
the
favorite
section
We
do
weekly
monthly
yearly
one
time
subscriptions
We
have
around
3
3K
ratings
on
App
Store
which
is
very
important
social
proof
when
you're
promoting
consumer
apps
Amazing
30
000
a
month
in
just
four
months
shows
you
how
fast
apps
can
grow
We
talked
to
a
lot
of
founders
that
are
growing
apps
very
fast
I
think
it's
awesome
Tell
me
how
you
get
here
How
do
you
get
to
the
point
where
just
in
a
couple
months
you
have
an
app
that's
absolutely
crushing
it
What's
your
background
I
grew
up
in
Asia
and
growing
up
I
always
played
by
the
books
worked
really
hard
in
school
had
a
4
0
GPA
but
really
didn't
explore
myself
enough
to
the
point
where
I
knew
what
I
wanted
to
do
with
my
life
and
then
sold
my
first
media
company
for
six
figures
then
proceeded
to
work
in
Congress
investment
firms
I
was
doing
quant
research
Also
worked
in
media
companies
before
I
was
just
trying
to
explore
myself
before
ultimately
pursuing
software
products
And
then
in
the
past
year
or
so
I've
built
over
45
apps
My
first
ever
app
is
an
app
called
Pillar
It's
a
self
improvement
app
We
scaled
to
11
000
users
with
basically
zero
CAC
and
basically
stopped
because
I
had
shiny
object
syndrome
I
proceeded
to
build
my
second
app
which
is
called
High
GPT
Again
shiny
object
syndrome
Just
proceeded
to
build
the
next
43
products
and
then
decided
to
really
lock
in
and
focus
on
building
one
specific
product
that
could
scale
over
time
with
amazing
people
So
you
mentioned
shiny
object
syndrome
I
think
it's
super
common
I've
experienced
it
Pretty
much
everyone
who's
building
anything
experiences
it
I
see
it
all
the
time
with
people
we
bring
on
the
channel
and
people
who
want
to
build
stuff
Let's
talk
about
that
for
a
second
You
said
you
built
40
apps
You
probably
got
pretty
good
at
building
apps
What
was
your
process
to
build
over
40
apps
That
seems
crazy
What
was
your
process
The
highest
leverage
thing
you
could
do
is
to
find
a
great
idea
So
you
start
from
the
marketing
So
you
reverse
engineer
the
value
proposition
that
you
want
to
show
in
your
app
first
Then
you
could
think
what
would
the
app
look
like
if
you
want
to
attract
a
user
in
three
seconds
Then
you
go
to
Figma
wireframe
it
design
it
feed
the
designs
to
Cloud
Code
in
your
IDE
and
code
it
The
entire
process
usually
takes
around
four
to
five
hours
to
actually
get
a
good
app
built
out
without
the
backend
Personally
I
love
Benji's
process
for
building
apps
Why
Because
it's
a
simple
proven
system
where
he
can
ship
things
fast
If
you've
gotten
to
this
point
in
the
video
you
might
be
thinking
about
your
app
that
you're
going
to
build
Well
that's
why
we
launched
the
free
iOS
bootcamp
In
just
a
few
days
this
bootcamp
will
walk
you
from
idea
to
a
real
working
app
in
the
app
store
You'll
learn
how
to
think
about
the
right
ideas
how
to
build
with
AI
and
how
to
actually
ship
So
if
you're
ready
to
actually
build
your
next
app
just
head
to
the
first
link
in
the
description
and
you
can
get
started
for
free
All
right
let's
get
back
to
the
episode
You
mentioned
something
crazy
which
is
you're
building
apps
in
four
to
five
hours
I
expect
you
to
say
like
four
to
five
weeks
or
something
like
that
You've
built
so
many
apps
you
probably
have
like
a
nice
little
tool
set
What
are
those
tools
Yeah
it's
pretty
much
a
streamlined
approach
for
me
right
now
to
build
apps
So
I
use
Cursor
as
my
IDE
I
use
Cloud
Code
Max
to
code
pretty
much
the
entire
thing
I
use
GoDaddy
to
host
my
app's
domain
I
use
Loops
to
send
out
emails
to
churn
the
users
users
so
that
I
can
convert
them
back
to
the
app
I
use
Superwall
to
A
B
test
my
paywalls
I
use
Mixpanel
to
track
whether
my
onboarding
process
is
good
enough
or
not
I
have
an
Apple
developer
account
Figma
subscription
and
finally
I
host
everything
on
Superbase
as
my
backend
On
a
separate
topic
before
we
get
into
the
whole
build
and
how
you
build
stuff
and
how
you
grow
it
how
do
you
think
about
ideas
now
How
to
come
up
with
a
good
idea
that
could
make
30
000
a
month
like
yours
YouTube
and
Twitter
is
a
great
source
of
inspiration
inspiration
because
you
just
see
people
making
money
from
all
sorts
of
different
ideas
And
I
think
you
can
discover
pinpoints
that
are
underserved
and
actually
impacts
you
as
a
person
person
Or
you
can
go
on
Sensor
Tower
to
search
for
ideas
that
are
making
a
lot
of
money
And
you
can
literally
copy
the
same
app
but
make
it
10
better
A
great
example
of
this
would
be
HeightGPT
that
I
built
After
we
launched
HeightGPT
there
were
around
20
different
copycat
apps
but
they're
also
making
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
dollars
because
they
have
a
better
user
interface
they
have
better
marketing
they
have
better
funnels
So
ideas
don't
really
worth
much
if
you
cannot
provide
the
product
to
the
end
user
in
a
better
way
Thanks
for
sharing
that
Ideas
are
worthless
but
they're
also
kind
of
everything
You
still
got
to
have
a
good
idea
But
if
you
can
launch
the
HeightGPT
app
and
there's
20
other
competitors
you
need
something
else
And
this
is
what
everyone
in
the
comments
are
going
to
say
right
now
Starter
story
you
don't
talk
enough
about
marketing
Building
is
easy
now
So
let's
talk
about
it
Specifically
what
we
did
is
we
ran
UGC
campaigns
at
scale
and
then
turn
those
creatives
into
paid
ads
So
essentially
how
this
works
is
you
reach
out
to
a
bunch
of
creators
first
and
then
filter
them
one
by
one
by
interviewing
them
to
see
whether
they
have
that
virality
built
in
them
And
typically
we
get
a
10
conversion
rate
So
for
every
100
creator
we
interview
we
get
actually
like
9
to
10
good
ones
Then
you
put
them
on
a
monthly
retainer
plus
a
CPM
structure
and
then
you
test
them
If
they're
doing
over
50
000
views
per
video
then
those
are
great
videos
that
you
can
run
on
meta
ads
So
you
can
set
up
test
campaigns
on
meta
ads
and
then
figure
out
the
ROAS
on
it
So
if
your
ROAS
is
greater
than
one
that
means
you're
making
money
from
your
app
And
meta
ads
is
not
a
linear
growth
structure
meaning
that
if
you're
making
10
profit
margin
when
you're
spending
100
a
day
on
meta
ads
it
does
not
imply
that
if
you
spend
200
then
you
get
20
because
there's
diminishing
marginal
return
So
you
have
to
see
whether
your
ads
are
fatiguing
or
not
on
meta
ads
and
then
basically
pump
out
more
creatives
so
that
you
can
test
more
options
and
to
figure
out
the
most
optimal
creatives
to
run
on
meta
ads
I
like
that
because
yeah
working
with
UGC
creators
is
a
pain
over
the
very
long
term
and
switching
over
to
paid
ads
when
it
starts
working
is
smart
because
you
don't
have
to
deal
with
as
much
of
that
headache
headache
of
rehiring
and
the
churn
and
all
that
We're
going
to
get
into
the
paid
ad
side
of
things
things
but
I'd
love
if
you
could
just
show
me
an
example
of
the
UGC
that
you
did
maybe
a
successful
post
that
led
to
actual
revenue
for
your
business
As
you
can
see
this
video
is
soft
selling
the
app
I
seriously
can't
believe
she
just
put
them
on
snag
for
free
So
this
video
got
240
000
views
What
we
typically
see
is
with
every
100
000
views
we
can
make
around
1
000
to
2
000
that
we
can
directly
make
from
subscription
profits
Thanks
for
showing
that
kind
of
shows
how
simple
these
videos
can
be
This
video
got
240
000
views
and
I'm
sure
you
created
a
bunch
of
other
videos
like
that
that
also
crushed
it
You
mentioned
that
then
once
the
video
like
that
works
then
you
run
paid
ads
on
that
specific
TikTok
video
How
does
that
work
There's
a
two
step
approach
that
we
usually
take
versus
we
set
a
test
campaign
So
we
spend
around
50
a
day
We
just
test
whether
a
specific
creative
is
worth
it
or
not
to
keep
running
and
to
scale
up
And
if
you
have
a
greater
than
one
ROAS
or
a
really
high
CTR
then
you
could
assume
that
it's
gonna
probably
do
pretty
well
when
it's
ran
as
paid
ads
So
you
just
gradually
scale
up
the
number
from
there
So
you
start
off
with
50
next
day
100
200
300
for
this
ad
We
place
around
3
000
in
total
for
this
ad
before
the
ROAS
became
negative
That's
why
the
number
of
creatives
matters
a
lot
lot
when
you're
running
paid
ads
so
that
you
get
more
tickets
to
the
lottery
Thank
you
for
showing
that
and
thanks
for
sharing
some
of
your
numbers
I
wanna
switch
topics
a
little
bit
since
you've
launched
so
many
apps
For
anyone
watching
this
right
now
let's
say
you
had
to
start
over
from
scratch
What
would
be
your
playbook
for
building
a
consumer
mobile
app
in
2026
Keep
in
mind
that
this
literally
worked
for
me
for
even
my
first
app
and
I
didn't
really
have
any
money
as
a
college
student
So
this
would
actually
apply
to
everybody
So
step
one
is
figuring
out
an
idea
that
is
actually
scalable
and
that
you
can
implement
properly
This
is
probably
the
highest
leverage
thing
you
could
do
Think
of
it
like
this
A
good
product
doesn't
really
need
much
quote
unquote
marketing
People
convert
at
a
higher
rate
and
people
don't
wanna
cancel
subscription
on
your
product
because
your
product
is
providing
so
much
value
to
them
For
Snag
it
was
very
simple
You
pay
us
a
few
dollars
a
month
month
and
then
you
get
access
to
products
products
that
are
worth
hundreds
of
dollars
and
hence
why
I
think
we
have
a
very
high
conversion
rate
Yeah
I
agree
with
that
My
favorite
apps
are
apps
that
help
you
make
more
money
or
help
you
save
more
money
This
is
a
very
simple
value
proposition
I'm
happy
to
pay
for
that
What's
the
next
step
Step
two
is
to
start
building
So
open
your
IDE
and
start
using
cloud
code
to
actually
code
out
your
app
Most
likely
when
you're
starting
off
you're
probably
gonna
be
building
single
use
case
apps
where
it's
pretty
much
like
a
API
wrapper
which
is
perfectly
fine
All
you
have
to
do
is
use
the
API
properly
make
sure
the
app
is
actually
functioning
and
make
sure
that
there's
a
way
for
you
to
authenticate
the
user
for
them
to
create
an
account
account
so
that
you
could
actually
get
approved
on
App
Store
That's
pretty
much
it
In
building
nowadays
according
to
you
and
basically
everyone
else
we
talked
to
on
Starter
Story
takes
four
to
five
hours
So
this
part
shouldn't
be
hard
What's
the
next
step
Step
three
would
be
distribution
So
if
you
don't
have
money
to
hire
UGC
creators
or
influencers
start
filming
them
yourself
I
filmed
probably
thousands
of
videos
for
my
previous
apps
by
myself
And
then
you
can
find
an
editor
editor
to
edit
your
videos
at
scale
have
a
package
deal
to
run
them
as
paid
ads
So
yeah
the
greatest
skill
I
think
right
now
is
the
ability
to
create
content
and
know
how
to
get
views
and
engagement
in
this
sort
of
algorithmic
TikTok
world
that
we
live
in
That
is
probably
my
favorite
one
What
is
the
final
step
The
final
step
is
just
iterating
on
the
product
so
that
you
have
a
better
product
so
that
you
get
higher
LTV
lower
CAC
So
focus
on
generating
real
value
to
your
end
users
because
ultimately
business
is
the
transaction
of
value
They
give
you
the
money
you
give
them
the
value
Okay
thank
you
for
sharing
that
Last
question
that
we
ask
all
founders
who
come
on
Starter
Story
if
you
go
back
in
time
while
you
were
in
college
or
thinking
about
going
that
traditional
career
path
what
would
be
your
advice
to
your
younger
self
or
your
advice
to
anyone
who's
watching
this
who's
in
a
similar
spot
Definitely
create
your
own
luck
and
meet
the
right
people
I'm
able
to
learn
so
much
in
the
past
few
months
months
because
I
met
a
guy
called
Blake
Anderson
If
you
work
with
great
people
like
that
you
tend
to
want
to
improve
yourself
so
that
you
can
match
their
pace
and
then
to
provide
value
I'm
not
saying
to
do
meaningless
networking
but
create
your
own
luck
meaning
that
just
keep
doing
what
you're
doing
right
now
iterate
learn
from
mistakes
and
then
you're
gonna
be
at
a
point
point
where
you're
able
to
work
with
great
people
and
great
people
leads
to
great
opportunities
in
which
would
just
enable
you
to
learn
even
more
One
of
my
favorite
phrases
is
that
you
are
the
average
of
the
five
people
you
surround
yourself
with
just
by
surrounding
yourself
with
people
that
are
crushing
it
like
Blake
who
has
built
a
ton
of
cool
stuff
It
just
makes
everything
easier
when
you're
surrounding
yourself
with
ambitious
people
Thanks
for
coming
on
to
the
show
Love
what
you
built
Hope
to
see
it
keep
growing
and
you
can
come
back
on
Starter
Story
and
share
more
Thanks
for
coming
on
Thank
you
for
having
me
All
right
Gus
producer
of
Starter
Story
What
did
you
think
of
this
one
Yeah
Benji
was
awesome
When
I
first
talked
to
him
I
really
liked
He's
super
chill
first
of
all
like
personality
but
loved
hearing
just
like
this
proven
system
he
has
He
knew
what
he
was
talking
about
He
had
the
numbers
he
had
the
creatives
everything
in
his
head
there
So
that
was
really
cool
He's
not
worried
about
the
things
that
can
go
wrong
or
doing
things
wrong
He
built
40
apps
very
kind
of
straight
into
the
point
You
do
this
do
this
do
this
Let's
not
really
like
overcomplicate
it
And
this
is
how
smart
builders
act
is
like
instead
of
worrying
about
is
my
idea
not
gonna
work
What
are
people
gonna
think
about
me
Build
apps
get
your
ROAS
up
to
this
point
and
you're
good
to
go
So
hopefully
people
watching
this
realize
that
hey
it
can
really
be
this
simple
It's
math
On
that
note
you
still
gotta
find
your
idea
You
still
gotta
build
something
So
I'll
put
a
link
in
the
description
down
there
If
you
wanna
build
an
app
we'll
help
you
come
up
with
an
idea
We'll
help
you
build
it
We'll
help
you
ship
it
to
the
app
store
Put
that
all
down
there
in
the
description
You
can
download
it
and
get
started
building
right
now
Hope
you
guys
enjoyed
this
one
We'll
see
you
in
the
next
one
Peace